Not as much as some, but there will be a part of Harrogate that will take amusement in seeing Hillary's female supporters SUDDENLY beginning to outwardly loather identity politics.
Obviously, we have disagreed about the extent to which identity politics has helped Obama. But perhaps you will agree that under the current circumstances, it is in Obama's best interest to keep things as ideologically-tinctured as possible, the rest of the way.
I have been skimming Talk Left this morning. The comments are quite amusing. During the primary, identity politics had nothing to do with support for Hillary; now, McCain's pick is a recognition of sorts, even if the pick is so ideologically different than those who write comments on the site.
One of the best aspects of Obama speech last night was the discussion of the failure of Republican ideological. This is more than necessary to win.
Yes and yes. it would also be nice, not to mention Artistic, to reference Rosie Perez from _White Men Can't Jump_, if Hillary would stay aggressive in her support for Obama.
You know, there is a way of looking at this political season that says, most of the identity-politics blood in the water shed during the Dem primary was shed by the supporters and the surrogates, not by the candidates themselves. Both Obama and Clinton in their own ways have the power to substantiate this view in the next few months.
Yes, Harrogate, he is. C and I have been talking for weeks that McCain was either going to pick a Latino or a woman as his VP; frankly, he would have been stupid not to.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Solon. This is a demeaning pick. Not to bash Sarah Palin personally, whom I actually know a fair amount about, but this is a fundamentally bad choice. She's only been in elected office for 2 years and she has virtually no experience in foreign policy. She is simply a symbol, a figure for Mccain to say "Look at me. I like women, I like mothers, and I too can help make history." What exactly is she going to bring to the table? I think it is safe to say that Biden will hammer her in the VP debate.
Biden may not be able to hammer her in the VP debate. The Candidates hammed Senator Clinton because she defined herself as a fighter and she instigated some of the fights. Voters wanted to see her fight to fulfill that ethos.
I know that Palin is a reformer but not necessarily a fighter. She may be too unknown to hit her hard. If Palin does not create an ethos of aggressive debate, then even metaphorically "hitting her hard," disrupts expectations. If Biden were aggressive, she can turn the tables on him by suggesting that the Democratic party just wants to keep its "Boys Club." Hmph. That sounds familiar.
IHO, when Biden refers to her at all, if he simply focuses on her ties to Oil, to the current economic configuration, he will be all right.
And, by talking about foreign affairs with the expertise that he has on such matters, he can reveal Palin's profound tininess in that quadrant without ever firing a Rhetorical shot anywhere near her direction.
Obama doesn't need to engage her at all. Indeed, Harrogate is already beginning to wonder whether it is even worth Our time, to be discussing Palin.
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And somewhere, Machiavelli's ghost is chuckling.
It is a very demeaning pick. It demeans Hillary; it demeans her supporters; it is the essence of identity politics.
It should take experience off the table. Of course, it means we will decide this election on identity politics. I am sure you will enjoy it.
Not as much as some, but there will be a part of Harrogate that will take amusement in seeing Hillary's female supporters SUDDENLY beginning to outwardly loather identity politics.
Obviously, we have disagreed about the extent to which identity politics has helped Obama. But perhaps you will agree that under the current circumstances, it is in Obama's best interest to keep things as ideologically-tinctured as possible, the rest of the way.
I have been skimming Talk Left this morning. The comments are quite amusing. During the primary, identity politics had nothing to do with support for Hillary; now, McCain's pick is a recognition of sorts, even if the pick is so ideologically different than those who write comments on the site.
One of the best aspects of Obama speech last night was the discussion of the failure of Republican ideological. This is more than necessary to win.
Yes and yes. it would also be nice, not to mention Artistic, to reference Rosie Perez from _White Men Can't Jump_, if Hillary would stay aggressive in her support for Obama.
You know, there is a way of looking at this political season that says, most of the identity-politics blood in the water shed during the Dem primary was shed by the supporters and the surrogates, not by the candidates themselves. Both Obama and Clinton in their own ways have the power to substantiate this view in the next few months.
Ciao.
Yes, Harrogate, he is. C and I have been talking for weeks that McCain was either going to pick a Latino or a woman as his VP; frankly, he would have been stupid not to.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Solon. This is a demeaning pick. Not to bash Sarah Palin personally, whom I actually know a fair amount about, but this is a fundamentally bad choice. She's only been in elected office for 2 years and she has virtually no experience in foreign policy. She is simply a symbol, a figure for Mccain to say "Look at me. I like women, I like mothers, and I too can help make history." What exactly is she going to bring to the table? I think it is safe to say that Biden will hammer her in the VP debate.
Biden may not be able to hammer her in the VP debate. The Candidates hammed Senator Clinton because she defined herself as a fighter and she instigated some of the fights. Voters wanted to see her fight to fulfill that ethos.
I know that Palin is a reformer but not necessarily a fighter. She may be too unknown to hit her hard. If Palin does not create an ethos of aggressive debate, then even metaphorically "hitting her hard," disrupts expectations. If Biden were aggressive, she can turn the tables on him by suggesting that the Democratic party just wants to keep its "Boys Club." Hmph. That sounds familiar.
IHO, when Biden refers to her at all, if he simply focuses on her ties to Oil, to the current economic configuration, he will be all right.
And, by talking about foreign affairs with the expertise that he has on such matters, he can reveal Palin's profound tininess in that quadrant without ever firing a Rhetorical shot anywhere near her direction.
Obama doesn't need to engage her at all. Indeed, Harrogate is already beginning to wonder whether it is even worth Our time, to be discussing Palin.
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